Reason: building
Ban Length: 1 day, 1 hour
Unban Time: 23:33:43 4/26/2020
Admin Name: Player
Admin SteamID: STEAM_0:0:38299828
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Kicked by Console: "You are banned from this server. Check your console"
Kicked :"You are banned from this server. Check your console"
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198036865384
server rules
https://forums.esclan.net/index.php/topic,3756.0.html
admin rules
https://forums.esclan.net/index.php/topic,4857.0.html
I was just banned by Sheldon Cooper on the Neotf Server, I was just BOTS and ME playing at the time of the ban , guy comes in every time im on the server to just harass me and other players then leaves after he chases everyone out of the server.
always threating me with a ban and anyone else for reasons that aren't even listed as server rules.
this time he told me "
Sheldon Cooper: do not spam th erespawn
which I wasn't map was WELL and just had me TK build about the middle roof room , and HE DOES IT ALL THE TIME ON 2FORT.
so I left the server after that because I just wont play with an abusive admin.
he left shortly after that he leaves the server after i did.
THIS IS ALL BEFORE THE BAN
after about 5mins i check server to see if its just bots again cause i like to play man vs bots but there is no NEOTF server that does it like that, shorly after i rejoin to play Man vs bots Neotf he comes back as PLAYER, and without any warming kicks me for building (TK's NO WARE NEAR RESPAWNS) , which i had them OUTSIDE on the roof top , he bans me for "building" ,
is building a new rule?
https://forums.esclan.net/index.php/topic,3756.0.html
AND
what the point of admin a to be abusive to the ONLY HUMAN player on the server? i could see the point if there was several players but it was me and the bots.
https://forums.esclan.net/index.php/topic,4857.0.html
im not a high raking player like i used to be 10 yrs ago -=|evil|=- Dr.Death , i usually just come to play when no one is one and to bring in my boys 5-8 yrs old to teach them how to play TFC. (SINCE THEY GET KILLED ON THE REGULAR EVIL SERVER though evil's neotf was a safe place for them to learn)
then after we are playing he comes he and starts using abusive language in chat yelling at my kids even when it does state there age on their name , and ive told he that they are just kids and just trying to learn the game ,he said he "he doesn't F..king care how old they are, hes going to ban them.
I appreciate you bringing your concerns to our attention. We expect our administrators to respectfully enforce our rules. We will look into this situation and take action as appropriate. If you have additional issues, please bring them to our attention. Thank you
thanks man , hope to hear back from you soon
GG
Quote from: DRDEATH#1 on April 25, 2020, 06:10:30 PM
I was just banned by Sheldon Cooper on the Neotf Server, I was just BOTS and ME playing at the time of the ban , guy comes in every time im on the server to just harass me and other players then leaves after he chases everyone out of the server.
always threating me with a ban and anyone else for reasons that aren't even listed as server rules.
this time he told me "
Sheldon Cooper: do not spam th erespawn
which I wasn't map was WELL and just had me TK build about the middle roof room , and HE DOES IT ALL THE TIME ON 2FORT.
so I left the server after that because I just wont play with an abusive admin.
he left shortly after that he leaves the server after i did.
THIS IS ALL BEFORE THE BAN
after about 5mins i check server to see if its just bots again cause i like to play man vs bots but there is no NEOTF server that does it like that, shorly after i rejoin to play Man vs bots Neotf he comes back as PLAYER, and without any warming kicks me for building (TK's NO WARE NEAR RESPAWNS) , which i had them OUTSIDE on the roof top , he bans me for "building" ,
is building a new rule?
https://forums.esclan.net/index.php/topic,3756.0.html
AND
what the point of admin a to be abusive to the ONLY HUMAN player on the server? i could see the point if there was several players but it was me and the bots.
https://forums.esclan.net/index.php/topic,4857.0.html
im not a high raking player like i used to be 10 yrs ago -=|evil|=- Dr.Death , i usually just come to play when no one is one and to bring in my boys 5-8 yrs old to teach them how to play TFC. (SINCE THEY GET KILLED ON THE REGULAR EVIL SERVER though evil's neotf was a safe place for them to learn)
then after we are playing he comes he and starts using abusive language in chat yelling at my kids even when it does state there age on their name , and ive told he that they are just kids and just trying to learn the game ,he said he "he doesn't F..king care how old they are, hes going to ban them.
"note: this is about a week ago this incident happened"
When I came on the server he had MGs in the middle of the main floor on WELL map. He also had MGs in the loft no problem there. as soon as I walked out I get killed by the MG. Try again stood right by spawn door to make sure it wasn't from the loft and get killed again. I see the MG on main floor in front of spawns. Told him not to spam the spawns he left. He comes back and does it again. This is not the first time he has been told. Others have told me and I have seen it on other maps that he does this. Its not just when bots are there. I also saw no MGs outside the fort like he claims. But my attention was on the ones in front of the spawn.
As far as his kids the ages have been put there about a week ago after I told one of them twice not to kill my MGs. He then claimed it was him as I stood there watching his kid kill them.
Another map he is on my team as an engineer dropping MGs so his kids can capture them to kill me. When I called him out on that he gets mad then leaves.
No issues with the kids they are doing what they are told by dad.
And again others have brought this to my attention.
One other side note. The claim is it was all bots.
A long time ago years ago. I was on LG bots only doing the same thing. Along comes a HC admin and told me not to do it again that I can be banned for that. Told him I was sorry and never did that again.
Quote from: schuffler on April 26, 2020, 06:10:34 AM
When I came on the server he had MGs in the middle of the main floor on WELL map. He also had MGs in the loft no problem there. as soon as I walked out I get killed by the MG. Try again stood right by spawn door to make sure it wasn't from the loft and get killed again. I see the MG on main floor in front of spawns. Told him not to spam the spawns he left. He comes back and does it again. This is not the first time he has been told. Others have told me and I have seen it on other maps that he does this. Its not just when bots are there. I also saw no MGs outside the fort like he claims. But my attention was on the ones in front of the spawn.
As far as his kids the ages have been put there about a week ago after I told one of them twice not to kill my MGs. He then claimed it was him as I stood there watching his kid kill them.
Another map he is on my team as an engineer dropping MGs so his kids can capture them to kill me. When I called him out on that he gets mad then leaves.
No issues with the kids they are doing what they are told by dad.
And again others have brought this to my attention.
i had two "pyro"mgs in the second level opening and one "soldiers mg" on the main floor in the middle, then several others through out the map.
MAP WELL
so what you are say is you can't build any mgs on the ground level?
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which was plenty of distances away from the re spawns and not in front of the spawn doors as you claim , even when its EASY to toss a few nades out to destroy the mgs anyways. ( you were running around as a spy tossing nades anyways)
i could see it would be a problem if they where was right out side the respawn door but that far away REALY?,
so when we play other maps you shouldn't put the MGS near our spawn then specially on the top deck of 2fort.
you did tell me not to spam the re spawn so i
did and left leave the game . then came back later after you left just with ONLY bots in the game. (i didn't have any mgs build near the spawns) . i had them in the enemy flag room shortly when a "player" joined i destroyed all my mg and started building on my roof top to give the other play a chance to play , that is when you banned me.
i did mention in the chat "so back again" after you set in spectate for a couple of mins. i figured you where back to harass the only human player in the game again. thats when you banned me with out notice
rules say you cant "block the doors" but in the middle of the room isnt that completely different?
as far as my kids , i told them to stop and they did! he tough it was mine , i explains to them with the mg does shoot at you its your team mg , just to shoot at the ones who shoot at you.
i was going around as a spy at the time disguised as the same class as them destroying your mg (which we all know when a SPY is in disguised it takes on the name of enemy players) , so when you mention you where going to BAN them , i even told you it was me doing it this time. and you kept wanting to argue with me. "going to f**king to ban us"
(also their names are very similar to mine that could be why you are confused )
as far as there ages its always been in there name since started playing on the neotf server at the end of their name i have [i'm 5] [i'm 8]
Badlands , so i dropped a few extra mgs inside THEIR base i built a few of them , but when has that been a rule that a enemy cant capture mgs inside their own base? YOU DO IT ALL THE TIME WHEN YOU ARE A SPY i could see if i was putting them inside our base next to spawn.
i didnt get mad ,i didn't say anything in chat to get that answer.
the reason we left was weve been playing for a while.
others? what other players? no one has said anything in game before?
if other players are messaging you then please post them here. screen shot would be good!
OR are you talking about the several OTHER different names you play as?
Quote from: schuffler on April 26, 2020, 06:31:55 AM
One other side note. The claim is it was all bots.
A long time ago years ago. I was on LG bots only doing the same thing. Along comes a HC admin and told me not to do it again that I can be banned for that. Told him I was sorry and never did that again.
i didn't know this server enforced rules from servers that where around 10 years ago . i thought this was ran be Evil not LG?
you starting to sound like a guy i used to know
is this Urban Ninja? , i know pretty much everyone had issues with at guy playing on his RCN Neotf server back in the day . that guy would make up rules on the fly every time someone wouldn't do what he wanted them to do or play how he wanted them to play and threaten them with a ban every time ,even when it wasn't on there server rule list,. that why his server died , people got tired of it .
so please explain what rule i was breaking?
Do not use hacks, cheats, or exploits to gain an advantage over the game and players.
[No Lagging/Crashing] Do not abuse the map or engine to cause the server to crash or players to lag.
[No Blocking/Holding] Do not block or hold an objective to disrupt gameplay.
[No Spawn* Abuse] - No grenades/pipes on spawn exits if no fight is going on there
- No entering or shooting inside enemy spawn
- No blocking spawn exits
- No playing from one's own spawn
* A spawn is signified as a location primarily used to replenish health/armor/ammo for a player separated from the rest of the map by a team-use only (SOLID) door.
Communication Rules
[No Personal Info] Do not give out anyone's personal information (yours or any others). No witch hunting!
[No Excessive Language] No excessive use of sexist/racist/vulgar language. We are adults, not trolls.
Laws of the Land
[Respect Everyone] Respect all players and all rules.
[Private Property] These servers are private property; it is a privilege to play here, not a right.
https://forums.esclan.net/index.php/topic,3756.0.html
LG = LOW GRAVITY
yes the mg was in the middle of the main floor but when you walked out of respawn it killed you right away. That is what you can't do it was aimed right at the spawn. Off to the side no problem but when the door opens and it starts to kill you that's not good. You have to give someone a chance to walk out of the spawn. on 2fort sniper deck in the corner everyone places them there but again they are not aimed at the spawn.
On well sometimes people go to place them in the loft and miss the edge and they fall to the main floor and you need to kill them right away, but you placed yours there.
the ban was short because I feel your a good player just sometimes a little goofy.
Meet me there anytime and I will be glad to show what has been allowed and what gets you in trouble.
i was going around as a spy at the time disguised as the same class as them destroying your mg (which we all know when a SPY is in disguised it takes on the name of enemy players) , so when you mention you where going to BAN them , i even told you it was me doing it this time. and you kept wanting to argue.
(also their names are very similar to mine )
. So you know I watched one of the kids do it more than once as a sniper shooting my MGs that's why I first asked him to stop and then he did it again. A spy can not shoot without coming out of cover so I know it was not you. Again I stood right behind him and watched. But I think you have resolved that by what you said above.
i know low gravity server used to play there years ago , thats where i first learned about Neotf , we used to get like 5 of us "human" vs bots i think the max was 3 engs but the 2 would play as medics and we would build as many mgs in the middle of well outside ,and play for hours just to see who could reach 999 kills, good times.
anyways
the mg was upgrade by a solder so it rotates , i wasn't purposely aiming them at the doors.
i would like to see a new rule added if possible "not to build with so many distances of respawn" that way it would be more clear,
OR
my suggestion maybe add "spawn protection" https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=1886
this would give players more time to leave spawn with out get killed.
Hey Dr, I'm not trying to get in the middle of this, and i'm here just to talk about one issue;
If you walk out of a spawn door, you should not be immediately attacked by anything, including buildables like SG's and MG's. That is considered a violation of the "Spawn Abuse" rule. I understand it doesn't specifically mention anything about buildables, but nevertheless, it has a been a long standing rule that has been enforced for years.
And while you could make an argument that the rule is not specific enough, it's not as simple as just changing it... Can we just agree to not have any SG's or MG's immediately pointing at a spawn door going forward?
To summarize for all involved:
1. An SG or MG which targets a player as soon as they open the spawn door is spawn abuse, similar to pipes or sniper-dot on the respawn exit. A verbal warning should have cleared up any confusion on this.
2. Rules apply even when your the only one there. Allowing you to surround spawn exits with MGs/SGs may make new players leave as soon as they join.
3. Admins are required to be respectful when enforcing the rules. The fact kids were present, makes this even worse.
Quote from: Bishop on April 26, 2020, 10:11:04 PM
To summarize for all involved:
1. An SG or MG which targets a player as soon as they open the spawn door is spawn abuse, similar to pipes or sniper-dot on the respawn exit. A verbal warning should have cleared up any confusion on this.
2. Rules apply even when your the only one there. Allowing you to surround spawn exits with MGs/SGs may make new players leave as soon as they join.
3. Admins are required to be respectful when enforcing the rules. The fact kids were present, makes this even worse.
On 1 this has and was done warned more than once prior to this.
On 3 no kids were there at this time and was respectful.
And if you look at my first post in the Admin section you will see 2 separate accounts posted at the same time and date NO age was at the back of the name as was stated above, it was added later. That goes to credibility.
sorry was AFK ,
yeah Guts ill agree not to build MG's no where immediately near spawn doors.
i just like to clear up
1.agreed
2.agreed
#3 when he was verbally abusive that A WEEK OR SO prior this ban, when he had issues with my kids shooting his MG's which i explain to my 5 year old that they cant shoot at other people Mg's , when he tried to explain to him that he was just a 5 year old kids , when he said he didnt "f**king care do it again and ill ban him"
and yes he did have is age after his name , doggy meat jr [5yr old] you can even ask some of the players on Evil Battlezone-X , we played just a couple of days before that and some of the regular players where asking IS HE REALLY 5 YEAR OLD? and i said yes , they said okay ill take it easy on him, we where playing AXLFLY.
so YES there were NO kids in room THIS TIME (weekend) when you banned me , but they where there the TIME BEFORE and a few day before "THIS WEEKEND/ban" when you got mad cause of the maps we where voting for "CALLING THEM GAY MAP" and then forcing a RTV shortly after the map change.
i thought it was kinda odd for a me to be in a game for less the 5mins and you come in and start getting mad instantly.
FYI when you told me to stop spamming th erespawns i didnt know what you ment , i thought you where just there to harass me, so i left.
should of been more friendly and just clear said "hey one of your mgs is pointing at the spawn door please take it down , and give me more then a few seconds to respawnd your request before getting angry. THANK YOU
anyways the ban should be over soon i would just like to get back into the game. ,i wasn't mad about the ban i just wanted to point out the short fuse admin among st your great servers. i my self have been playing off and on at evil for over 15 yrs or so, just wanted to pass that on to my kids , since they weren't around to remember this game when it was in its prime.
i my self used to be a short fuesd admin back the day =[evil]= dr.death
THANK YOU AND YOU ALL HAVE AN ENJOYABLE GAME!!
DOGMEAT JR STEAM_0:0:14013913 1 No No z
and
DOGGY-MEAT JR STEAM_0:0:30410724 10 No No
As you can see no age on DOGGY-MEAT JR as was claimed.
I did tell you not to spam the respawns more than once and others have complained to me that you have done it to them as well.
Not short fused I repeated myself more than once your reaction was to leave then come back and do the same thing again. And this was all after other warnings about doing it.
And you claim to have been an admin here on EVIL then you should have known the rules already.
STEAM_0:0:30410724 thats not even the right account, and the first account you posted is me
neotf server
heres the 5 year old
https://www.gametracker.com/server_info/66.151.244.232:27015/top_players/?query=doggy+meat+jr
heres the older boy
https://www.gametracker.com/server_info/66.151.244.232:27015/top_players/?query=dog+jr
battlezone-x
https://www.gametracker.com/server_info/66.151.244.170:27015/top_players/?query=doggy+meat+jr
Here is the Steam Id for ALEX, also known as dogmeatjr3.
Last update about 5 hours ago Refresh information
steamID: STEAM_1:0:30410724
steamID3: [U:1:60821448]
steamID64: 76561198021087176
customURL http://steamcommunity.com/id/dogmeatjr3
profile http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198021087176
profile state Public
profile created February 12th, 2010
name ALEX
real name dog jr [i'm 10]
location Oregon, United States
Thats the account STEAM ID on top that came up in the server console.
Our admins will be understanding based on children's age (good idea identifying ages in the name). At the same time, please work with your children to understand and follow our rules.
So yeah, take my post with a grain of salt since I don't have demos or videos. There's been numerous times where I've joined the server and mg's and sg's were built directly outside of spawns (for example, in the corner directly across from the main spawn on 2fort). I'll grab demos or screenshots the next time.
Quote from: schuffler on April 28, 2020, 05:07:07 AM
Here is the Steam Id for ALEX, also known as dogmeatjr3.
Last update about 5 hours ago Refresh information
steamID: STEAM_1:0:30410724
steamID3: [U:1:60821448]
steamID64: 76561198021087176
customURL http://steamcommunity.com/id/dogmeatjr3
profile http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198021087176
profile state Public
profile created February 12th, 2010
name ALEX
real name dog jr [i'm 10]
location Oregon, United States
Thats the account STEAM ID on top that came up in the server console.
I'm not trying to argue with you , I know thsts the account you are seeing but that even the right account man ,
That's the 10 year olds account.
The young kids account is the one who was shooting your mgs , anyways they already have been talked too , so let's move on..
Do not need to keep dragging this out anymore.
See my earlier post for there names that where on the server.
Went in LG to check up on things. dOGmEaT JR was there...
He was trying to help someone learn NeoTF. Let's try and keep this kid around.
:idea:
Good idea there :)!