http://www.lifenews.com/2015/07/02/schools-implant-iuds-in-girls-as-young-as-6th-grade-without-their-parents-knowing/
As irritating as you see this topic to be. I feel like this should be placed in the regular chat forum.
Posting in the "complaints" section usually deals with EVIL. To the best of my knowledge, EVIL has not forcibly implanted IUDs in young girls.
Yet.
Quote from: pig on July 07, 2015, 12:42:04 AM
As irritating as you see this topic to be. I feel like this should be placed in the regular chat forum.
Posting in the "complaints" section usually deals with EVIL. To the best of my knowledge, EVIL has not forcibly implanted IUDs in young girls.
Yet.
ever since the creation of the ban/unban request forum the complaint department has been seen as the place for any sort of negative feelings about anything, so I see no reason why this shouldnt belong there.
I highly doubt the school itself is implanting these things in the girls. This article is misleading. I think it's a fantastic idea to offer contraceptives to young girls at an early age. Some of them have taken advantage of it without their parents' knowledge, and good, I say. Most young girls don't want their parents to be aware that they're sexually active to begin with, or they'd probably ask for something exactly like this and get chastised by their father or mother.
This just shows that these schools care about young girls' futures. This shows that they care about their education. Parents getting all pissed off should ask themselves why they're getting angry about it. So your daughter (who is likely to have sex, sorry) decides to have SAFE sex offered by an institution she trusts. So the fuck what. Excellent move.
We have way too many useless people in this world anyway. I'd even support retroactive abortion on several people I run into daily. This is a good move.
I think we could just add condoms and birth control pills as desert after school lunch. That way the parents know that birth control is given out strictly as a safety measure and any kid that wants to make decisions that they are incapable of understanding the consequences of making can then dodge their silly concerned parents and any questions or discipline that might stem from their behavior.
A child's decision (any decision) SHOULD be tempered with fear of the outcome and morality. The day a 13 year old girl can go ask a school employee for birth control and get it and the parents not be notified is the day that we have finally given up on our children and our futures. We might as well let them smoke, drink, and drive. Either way they are being given free reign to ruin their lives and without their parents being able to try and help them make a better decision.
Not every girl is having sex as a child. I know plenty of people who waited till they were adults and some who waited till marriage.
What we SHOULD be handing out is the truth about what happens when you have a baby or catch a disease and how your life will never be the same. We should also teach our girls to respect themselves and not hand out ass like candy for a little bit of attention. THAT is how we show our girls we REALLY care. Not by handing them a condom and a damn banana.
So, Spamdaddy summed up a lot of what I wanted to say. But I would like to add to that: I have no aggression towards young girls who are having sex and who are willingly taking birth control from the schools without their parents knowing about it. If I had a daughter who was doing this and I found out, I would be both mad and sad, but instead of some harsh discipline here is what I would do: I would take her to dinner and a movie and treat her like the princess she really is...the way any real man would treat her. Having said that, the source of my aggravation is that the schools have no business giving those things to underage people. The kids do not belong to the schools, not anymore than they belong to the government or to wal-mart or to the neighbor across the street. American society is getting closer and closer to Ayn Rand's 'Anthem' and George Orwell's '1984.' And that is not a mere conspiracy theory nor a slippery slope. Just look at the history of human nature itself.
The ridiculousness of comparing smoking and drinking to trying to helping girls be safe when having sex is laughable. SO funny.
Edit by pig: I am SO sorry. I edited and deleted your post instead of posting a reply. I tried to restore some of what I remember was in your reply. Did not mean to delete your message, lmao.
Quote from: Sun-Tzu on July 07, 2015, 02:28:37 PM
Having said that, the source of my aggravation is that the schools have no business giving those things to underage people.
Yeah, and a dick doesn't have any business being in a 16 year old pussy but you know what? It's going to happen, so let them be fucking safe about it. You cannot prevent it, and if you TRY hard to prevent - it frequently (almost always) backfires and encourages the girl to rebel.
I find it *celebratory* that a girl is intelligent enough at that age to say "Hey... I'm going to be active... let me go see my school nurse who I know has been given permission to offer me a contraceptive because my Christian/Catholic parents will just be judgmental and question why I'd ask for a condom."
Quote from: Juliet on July 07, 2015, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: Sun-Tzu on July 07, 2015, 02:28:37 PM
Having said that, the source of my aggravation is that the schools have no business giving those things to underage people.
Yeah, and a dick doesn't have any business being in a 16 year old pussy but you know what? It's going to happen, so let them be fucking safe about it. You cannot prevent it, and if you TRY hard to prevent - it frequently (almost always) backfires and encourages the girl to rebel.
I find it *celebratory* that a girl is intelligent enough at that age to say "Hey... I'm going to be active... let me go see my school nurse who I know has been given permission to offer me a contraceptive because my Christian/Catholic parents will just be judgmental and question why I'd ask for a condom."
Rather than do the mature "super long lol" here I will simply say ANY parent worth a damn will be judgmental and want to know why their child is having underage sex. You will understand when you have a life of your own that you are responsible for (not being condescending - it just changes you)
It isn't a control issue at all. It is a safety issue, a common sense issue, a respect issue, and a please-don't-have-babies-at-14 issue. It has nothing to do with me being a Christian at all. It has to do with my love for my daughter. My children already know and already do come to me with issues similar to this. I guess I can see what you are saying for kids whose parents are not as involved in their lives or who feel like they will be abused if they do it.
But if it makes the girl or boy afraid of what their parent might say if they find out they are having under age sex it damn well better make them afraid. No parent in their right mind is going to condone the behavior and move on. This is the problem now days all these liberals crying about "control". Its our job as parents to control our children and teach them life and keep them from doing dumb shit that ruins theirs.
Quote from: SpamDaddy! on July 07, 2015, 05:28:31 PM
Quote from: Juliet on July 07, 2015, 04:04:47 PM
Quote from: Sun-Tzu on July 07, 2015, 02:28:37 PM
Having said that, the source of my aggravation is that the schools have no business giving those things to underage people.
Yeah, and a dick doesn't have any business being in a 16 year old pussy but you know what? It's going to happen, so let them be fucking safe about it. You cannot prevent it, and if you TRY hard to prevent - it frequently (almost always) backfires and encourages the girl to rebel.
I find it *celebratory* that a girl is intelligent enough at that age to say "Hey... I'm going to be active... let me go see my school nurse who I know has been given permission to offer me a contraceptive because my Christian/Catholic parents will just be judgmental and question why I'd ask for a condom."
...I will simply say ANY parent worth a damn will be judgmental and want to know why their child is having underage sex. You will understand when you have a life of your own that you are responsible for (not being condescending - it just changes you)
But here's the thing...... YOU WON'T KNOW. Shocker, I know. Kids doing things and not telling their parents? Unheard of. So let her be safe, clearly it shows that she's intelligent if she can at least be safe about it.
Juliet,
I agree that it requires intelligence for a girl to look for some form of protection. But it's not as though teenagers have become geniuses overnight. I wouldn't be surprised if that girl is about to lose her virginity to some dude who pretends he loves her but really plans on dumping her. And to me, that's the saddest part. I'm not an expert on this, but supposedly a girl losing her virginity can have mental and emotional damage. I don't want that for anybody, and I doubt you want that either.
This whole deal about "an institution they trust"....I might consider schools trustworthy if they didn't play their part in doping me up on Ritalin at a young age. Some scientist are now saying Ritalin can cause brain damage. And aside from that, it is has been widely known for a long time there is a higher probability of drug use and abuse amongst people who had taken Ritalin at a young age. And guess what!!!...growing up as a teenager, I fulfilled that one pretty darn well. Now, I'm not too sure if I can blame my past drug abuse on Ritalin... but, who knows the extent to which that stuff affected me. But, don't get me wrong... I'm not saying teachers such as yourself are untrustworthy.
Quote from: Sun-Tzu on July 08, 2015, 02:02:02 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if that girl is about to lose her virginity to some dude who pretends he loves her but really plans on dumping her. And to me, that's the saddest part. I'm not an expert on this, but supposedly a girl losing her virginity can have mental and emotional damage. I don't want that for anybody, and I doubt you want that either.
You aren't going to stop it. It. IS. GOING. TO. HAPPEN. You might as well let them protect themselves.
Quote from: Sun-Tzu on July 08, 2015, 02:02:02 AM
I might consider schools trustworthy if they didn't play their part in doping me up on Ritalin at a young age. Some scientist are now saying Ritalin can cause brain damage.
This explains a lot. I would've used something stronger on you.
Quote from: Juliet
The ridiculousness of comparing smoking and drinking to trying to helping girls be safe when having sex is laughable. SO funny.
Curious. Why do you think it is incomparable to mention underage sex with underage smoking/drinking/driving?
All of the above activities involve risk to the person that is trying to attempt the activity. If someone wants to use BC to prevent a baby after sex, they should also be able smoke/drink/drive in a "safe" controlled environment.
Not saying that schools offering free BC is a slippery slope to anywhere, just saying the comparisons between the scenarios isnt necessarily that far off since they both regard a personal choice.
P.S. To those who are not aware, many school nurses offer condoms for free for boys. Yes, the school advises against underage sex, but they prefer that unplanned pregnancies do not occur when nature calls.
Quote from: Juliet on July 08, 2015, 02:16:59 AMThis explains a lot. I would've used something stronger on you.
It does not feel very good to hear this sort of thing from somebody, especially when you are very fond of them. Nonetheless, big bear hugz for you!!!!
But, anyways, you could try to use something stronger on me. But, I have a heart of a lion and a mind of steel. Keeping me down is not an easy task :)
Quote from: pig on July 08, 2015, 10:54:37 AM
P.S. To those who are not aware, many school nurses offer condoms for free for boys. Yes, the school advises against underage sex, but they prefer that unplanned pregnancies do not occur when nature calls.
I'm aware of this. And my initial feelings towards this whole thing might be a little wrong. I'm sure the schools mean well, and it is a practical thing to do. And I'm sure many in the school system feel as though they have to raise the kids because the parents are not very involved in their lives. And its not as though the schools are forcing kids to take condoms and birth control. It still does not sit well with me, though.
Now, a good example of a real 'no-no' in my book is when, many years ago, Rick Perry tried to make it a requirement for all girls at 11 and older to take an STD shot. That's quite different than the topic we are all discussing at the moment.
Quote from: pig on July 08, 2015, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: Juliet
The ridiculousness of comparing smoking and drinking to trying to helping girls be safe when having sex is laughable. SO funny.
Curious. Why do you think it is incomparable to mention underage sex with underage smoking/drinking/driving?
The comparison is between the girls seeking to use a form of birth control from an institution they trust and smoking/drinking. Not between them just "having sex" and smoking/drinking.
You will never be able to stop young adults from wanting to explore their sexuality. Allowing them to be safe about it is about the only intelligent thing parents can do.
To me, arguing that IUDS (FROM ANYWHERE) for young girls are a bad thing is similar to arguing that taking the keys away from a girl who's going to drink is a bad thing. Ludicrous.
Having a baby when you're too young ruins a lives just like getting in a fatal car accident ruins lives.
And you people think it's a bad idea to prevent it.
Most of you read the title of the article and said "OMG schools are touching young girls' vaginas to put devices in them! DERRPPPPP"
They offered them IUDs. Good for them. Smart. Sad that most people can't see that, but typical.
This is America after all.
The Newsroom said it best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16K6m3Ua2nw
Jeff Daniels just rekt this thread.
The day my kids feel the need to go to a stranger for advice on anything is the day I failed as a parent.
I mean, in all honesty, this is a split topic for me.
Yes I do applaud the community for offering a safer alternative to unprotected sex.
But no, I do not agree to the confidential nature of the ordeal in which the parent is never notified. The child is still a legal minor and as such, they are under the jurisdiction of the parent/guardian.
Quote from: p0izon on July 08, 2015, 05:13:18 PM
The day my kids feel the need to go to a stranger for advice on anything is the day I failed as a parent.
p0izon, how come you are so wise? I agree.
I'm probably about through with this topic. But, as my final thoughts: I would think the schools have an obligation to the parents first. I mean, the school staff members don't get their pay checks from the kids. Let's be real: the parents work their asses off. The government takes their money and gives it to the schools. The schools implant IUD's behind parents back. Who are the ones getting screwed over???...yup, the parents. DERRRRRP!!!! The parents should at least know what the schools are doing. And the kids should at least be man and woman enough to tell the truth to the parents. I mean, if they really think they are adult enough for sex...the very least they can do is act like it.
Quote from: Sun-Tzu on July 09, 2015, 01:47:54 AM
The schools implant IUD's behind parents back. Who are the ones getting screwed over???...yup, the parents. DERRRRRP!!!!
Spoken like a true religious nut. It's not about you. It's about what's best for your kid. Sorry, but parents are too often arrogant enough to believe that they know what's best for their child and they often are wrong. They often make terrible decisions and become judgmental or make a decision based purely on faith (laughs) and it just fucks over the kid in the long run.
For example: Parents refusing cancer treatments for their son because they were going to pray the cancer away or treat it holistically. Absolutely blindly stupid parents making poor decisions for a young human being.
http://www.mprnews.org/story/2009/05/07/parents_refuse_treatment_for_son
To quote a section:
"You have on the one hand the parental rights to decide what's right for their child, keeping with their religious beliefs, their medical and nutritional beliefs. On the other hand you've got the state's interest saying, here's a child we've got a report from the treating doctor saying that this child is in danger because of the decisions the parents are making."
Sadly, there is no IQ test to check to see if a person is fit to breed. Thankfully, some young girls in these states are taking advantage of IUDs even though apparently their parents are mentally defunct.
+10 to p0.
Most of this is irrelevant if you have a healthy relationship with your child.
My argument is that the school if they are going to hand out birth control (IUDs sounds like we should have a marine nearby with a metal detector) should be obligated to notify the parents. If you don't then you are knowingly and willfully enabling that child in committing an act that can be just as any other psychological event you might imagine. Studies show that a large percentage of young girls feel "conflicted and emotionally burdened" (direct quote from the pediatric journal of medicines web site) after their first sexual encounter. The reasons behind that is they generally hide the fact from their parents and seek counsel from other children which leads to no real counsel at all as the other children also have no idea what they are talking about.
This situation quite often leads to "feelings of inadequacy, loneliness, despair, isolation, and the inability to interact with others for fear of discovery".
I agree that having proper contraceptive advice and having access is a positive thing. Saying that the parents should just be kept at bay and oblivious is quite another. My wife and I talk to our teens about these issues and we have an understanding that we live by whatever is happening in our children's lives that is negative we wait a day before reacting. Then we handle things in a civil fashion. I know that things are not that way for all families and that is the hard part.
If a child asks a school nurse for birth control (boy or girl) a school counselor should be notified as well as the parents. We would certainly exercise those measures in any other situation where a child was intent on doing something harmful. If they ask a school nurse for a lighter for their crack pipe or a syringe for their heroin should we provide it and not inform the parent? Of course not.
Addressing your previous posts, Juliet, bringing up the cancer treatment is akin to me bringing up drinking and driving. Those are extreme situations. A tiny percentage of idiots get all the news. Most of us Christians are not condescending bible thumping zealots. We don't hammer people with our beliefs but when asked we answer. Unfortunately people don't like the answers and react by calling us nuts or worse. We have grown to expect that. I just want to point out that we can have differing opinions without being demeaning or belittling of each other and you are right it is about what is best for the child. That's precisely WHY the parents should be informed.
P.s. The IQ test to breed isn't a bad idea.
During this discussion it seems as if we are also forgetting the important fact that the focus of the topic is on IUDs preventing pregnancies.
Yes, they are contraceptives. Unfortunately, that is all they are. When we choose to have sex, we also choose to expose ourselves to sexually transmitted infections. IUDs, and most other contraceptives, with the exception of condoms, do NOT provide any protection against infection.
As adults, some of us are aware of the shortcomings of IUDs. As a hormonally charged boy/girl, we are not thinking of that. A lot of times, when the teens are eager to have sex, they are going for IUDs with the mindset: "Well, as long as I prevent pregnancy, I should be ok".
An unplanned pregnancy may, in fact, ruin a young girl's life. An infection is likely to not be such a positive thing either.
Quote from: SpamDaddy! on July 09, 2015, 10:46:57 AM
P.s. The IQ test to breed isn't a bad idea.
The Libertarian voice in my head says it's a bad idea.
Quote from: Juliet on July 09, 2015, 10:29:29 AMSpoken like a true religious nut.
Lol... I agree with you!!!
Don't get me wrong here...I don't think it is a good idea to refuse cancer treatment for kids. For example, and not to be religiously preachy or anything:
Let's say I'm on a island with no food or water, and the only hope for survival is to paddle myself back home on a log. Most likely I would pray: "God, please bring me home safety!!!"... Also, I would believe whole heartedly that God has the power to do that. Yet, before I even leave the island, a helicopter or a boat shows up. I'm not going to paddle home just to prove something; I would see the boat or helicopter as something God sent to me, yet having full faith that God can bring me home any way He wanted to. I hope this does not sound preachy at all.
For the record, though, miraculous healings do happen. But, I don't feel as though my faith obligates me to reject cancer treatment.
I think there needs to be a balance between the state's obligation to protect kids and the rights of parents to raise their kids under their religious beliefs. If everything is on the side of religion, then any psycho can create their own religion for the purpose of exploiting loopholes. At the same time, if its all on the government, the result can be tyranny.
True, poizon. Unfortunately there are an absolute asston of failures for parents out there.
To top it all off, the ones that think IUDs don't belong in young women without parental knowledge are perpetuating MORE failure parents. It's a cycle.
I truly fucking loathe how moronic websites and news sources (ie: faux news) keep posting "Schools are IMPLANTING IUDs in girls as young as six!" .....there is absolutely no "IMPLANTING" of IUDs from schools at all. The IUD is merely offered to girls as a method of contraception without their parents needing to cover it with their insurance.
They go to a doctor to receive it. Schools don't fucking train IUD deployment teams; I wish these idiots would stop acting as though schools are touching their daughters vaginas.
The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me.
Quote from: Sun-Tzu on July 09, 2015, 03:19:42 PM
Quote from: Juliet on July 09, 2015, 10:29:29 AMSpoken like a true religious nut.
Yet, before I even leave the island, a helicopter or a boat shows up. I'm not going to paddle home just to prove something; I would see the boat or helicopter as something God sent to me, yet having full faith that God can bring me home any way He wanted to.
Dumb.
Plus it encourages you to thank something that doesn't exist instead of truly be grateful for the hard work and selfless nature of the people who actually rescue you.
Why bother having rescue teams at all? God either saves people who are drowning or he doesn't. It has nothing to do with people! It's all God's plan! Also, SINCE God has a 'plan', who are you to pray for any change to his plan?
Dumb.
I'm done posting here. This topic is a waste of my time and energy. You won't make any headway with me, I very obviously will
never EVER agree with you. We can agree to disagree. I will also continue to be disdainful of the unfortunate fact that stupid people will continue to breed.
Quote from: Juliet on July 09, 2015, 06:40:58 PM
Plus it encourages you to thank something that doesn't exist instead of truly be grateful for the hard work and selfless nature of the people who actually rescue you.
Why bother having rescue teams at all? God either saves people who are drowning or he doesn't. It has nothing to do with people! It's all God's plan! Also, SINCE God has a 'plan', who are you to pray for any change to his plan?
Not true. I would be very thankful for the people as well. But, first and foremost, I would be thankful to God, because He is God. Concerning rescue teams, God uses people to accomplish His purposes. The Christian faith does not see God as some distant being that is uninvolved with us. Btw, He does exist, and I hope one day you will see how much He really loves you.
I don't believe in god but rather a giant set of titties. You can squeeze the titties and suck those titties too. They are majestic titties...epically awesome titties. They are found in the sky, in a place called Titopolis. Only the good Guapo's go there.
I also believe in a giant red monkey boner that is found deep, deep in the earth, where it's super muggy...or cold....I forget. All the bad Guapo's go there, it's caller Redrocketville. In Redrocketville the giant red monkey boner thrust into your face and pushes into your nose and makes your eyes water. It sucks...I think...I forget.
All glory to Titopolis. PRAISE TO THE TITTIES.
Is there an Assopolis somewhere, Guapo?
Quote from: Rand on July 10, 2015, 04:36:58 PM
Is there an Assopolis somewhere, Guapo?
I think its south of Titopolis and on the other side of Vaginia!
:D
Don't make fun of my religion!
spamdaddy is right
I wasn't. Mine was a serious question.
But the real question is...did you feel the presence of the almighty Titasspussymaster? Hundreds of Thousands of people have felt his presence, and very obviously they're telling the truth. They aren't just deluded retards.
Have you also read the book the Vaginible? Nothing but truth in that book. Written by a bunch of goons, it's been changed over the past several centuries to include whatever is appropriate for society at the current time period! At one point in fact the Vaginible said vaginas were flat. Once SCIENCE (run by non-retards) proved that vaginas weren't flat, the Vaginible was modified to say that they aren't flat after all! It was RIGHT ALL ALONG! (deeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp) The Vaginible = TRUTH. Fact.
I think I'm going to start worshiping the rock in my front yard. I felt its presence when I tripped over it the other day. Clearly that means it's all powerful and loves me.
Quote from: Rand on July 10, 2015, 04:36:58 PM
Is there an Assopolis somewhere, Guapo?
There is Rand....and its spectacular!
Been reading this post with some bemusement, although some people think they can control or change a few million years of evolutionary behaviour, they can't. No matter what parents/authorities do or don't do, at about 15 to 18 years old mother nature will kick in and the kids will start to experiment in ways they never did before.
Least a society can do is give the teenagers the information about the pros and cons of sex, and let them decide what to do, because they will anyhow.
Now as for Schools giving contraception, it is actually a plot by the Mathematics Departments to keep credibility, after years of teaching 1 + 1 = 2, it's not a good look when the students discover 1 (Boy) + 1 (Girl) = 3 (Boy, Girl and Baby). Putting my tin foil hat on now.... :gum:
:::sigh:::
:::prays for the nonbelievers:::
Quote from: SpamDaddy! on July 11, 2015, 06:39:13 PM
:::sigh:::
:::prays for the nonbelievers:::
Rock, paper, or scissors?
Quote from: SpamDaddy! on July 11, 2015, 06:39:13 PM
:::sigh:::
:::prays for the nonbelievers:::
me and you both.
Quote from: Rand on July 11, 2015, 06:57:28 PM
Quote from: SpamDaddy! on July 11, 2015, 06:39:13 PM
:::sigh:::
:::prays for the nonbelievers:::
Rock, paper, or scissors?
yup, Rand!!! The rock smashes the devil on the head; the paper covers you with the righteousness of God; the scissors cut the chains of sin which hold the sinner in bondage.
lol