I know this is semantics, but it's just something I wonder how the admin team would interpret here considering the current rules. So if an Engi builds something in his spawn (tele/sg), is that fair game to destroy by enemy>? I don't believe there have been any complaints about this, nor do I have any, and it doesn't happen much to warrant them, it's just a curiosity I had and wondered what your opinion would be.
My 2 cents...One should always be allowed to attack flags/teles/sgs...if people bring these objectives into their spawn, they invite such attacks. The spawn rule is to protect cheap kills of those who just spawned, not to protect teles/SGs and lamers running from a fight.
Also the 2fort sniper resupply doesn't meet the definition of "spawn" as specified in our rules.
Yeah, that was my opinion on it as well. I believe all enemy points should be assailable or else there's an unfair advantage.
Also I've heard to it referred to as sniper resupply? I'm curious, what do the rules say a spawn is? I always assumed anywhere you respawn is a spawn, heh. Not trying to be sarcastic or condescending, I'm genuinely curious.
Evil game server rules (https://forums.esclan.net/index.php/topic,3756.0.html) - these can also be accessed from the menu bar above under <info>.
The rules state that a protected area is
" ...a location primarily used to replenish health/armor/ammo for a player separated from the rest of the map by a team-use only (SOLID) door."
Why is it that people can't get this...
Leave spawns alone?
Quote from: Gimpy on February 18, 2018, 06:24:34 AM
Why is it that people can't get this...
Leave spawns alone?
Agree
Quote from: OsiriS on February 18, 2018, 04:50:02 AM
anywhere you respawn is a spawn
This is my outlook.
If you are killing people as they are spawning, you are wrong.
It's like back-playing avanti, and dropping MIRV's / pipes where the attacking team is spawning. Its a cheap way to get kills, and will not be tolerated.
Quote from: Bishop on February 18, 2018, 04:43:10 AM
Also the 2fort sniper resupply doesn't meet the definition of "spawn" as specified in our rules.
The last information I got was that even the sniper spawn counts as such a spawn with a closed door, despite the fact that it is open on one side. And thus it's not allowed to kill teleporter entries in there, neither by entering and shooting the tele, nor by throwing a grenade at it (if entry is towards the open side).
No, you can kill enemy teles and sgs. Also you can defend the flag anywhere.
The point is not to target spawning players because it is cheap.
Quote from: pizzahut on February 18, 2018, 12:19:42 PM
Quote from: Bishop on February 18, 2018, 04:43:10 AM
Also the 2fort sniper resupply doesn't meet the definition of "spawn" as specified in our rules.
The last information I got was that even the sniper spawn counts as such a spawn with a closed door, despite the fact that it is open on one side. And thus it's not allowed to kill teleporter entries in there, neither by entering and shooting the tele, nor by throwing a grenade at it (if entry is towards the open side).
Interesting, thanks for the lively discussion chaps :D
Let us clear the "defend flag" point up as it is mentioned here multiple times. Often times people make it back to their base from enemy base and immediately seek out their spawn in order to be sure they can make it thru the fray to the cap without dieing.
Once you enter your spawn, if the enemy KNOWS you are in there you have just effectively trapped yourself. The goal of CTF is to not allow capture of your flag. Now you have not only trapped yourself but you have caused a very large problem for your teammates.
The first thing people yell is spawn camping/spamming. When thet door opens to spawn there isn't time to figure out of the flag is coming out or not especially with the speed skill level of players like Bishop.
Obviously you cannot emp spawn and hope to kill thru walls or use nails or pills to go thru walls.
The question here is can you pipe and or grenade that spawn until the flag is capped or returns?
This is where Bishop and I agree. If the flag is inside the spawn, pipe the door for all I care.
As you can see this starts to cause all sorts of problems. If the someone is sitting in spawn with the flag and won't come out, they should be kicked for flag holding.
Quote from: Bishop on February 19, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
As you can see this starts to cause all sorts of problems. If the someone is sitting in spawn with the flag and won't come out, they should be kicked for flag holding.
Quote from: Bishop on February 19, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
As you can see this starts to cause all sorts of problems. If the someone is sitting in spawn with the flag and won't come out, they should be kicked for flag holding.
Agree
Yeah, I can see where that would be a problem, but to be honest I rarely ever come across that. The very few times it has I sit with a charged shot, never thought much of it. But I have on more than one occasion noticed annoying teles that never go away, and have gone into spawn to disrupt both ends, seeing as it's only fair. But I knew this was somewhat in a grey area and would stop if someone ever complained, but it's been seen as acceptable gameplay from the engis so far. I thought I'd ask anyways just to gauge the general opinion. I think the main rule is don't be a dick if you're asked to stop. You guys have always been more than fair with that, so it was just more curiosity than anything.
Quote from: Gimpy on February 18, 2018, 08:57:25 AM
It's like back-playing avanti, and dropping MIRV's / pipes where the attacking team is spawning. Its a cheap way to get kills, and will not be tolerated.
That's literally the best thing about dustbowl and very underrated as to how funny it is, every time.
Quote from: Swede on February 20, 2018, 02:19:14 AM
Quote from: Bishop on February 19, 2018, 03:42:46 PM
As you can see this starts to cause all sorts of problems. If the someone is sitting in spawn with the flag and won't come out, they should be kicked for flag holding.
Agree
Agreed as well. You either push the flag or you leave it alone, no holdie holdie. They do that on Dustbowl. Makes my chickens wobble, dadgummit!